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ADMIN: Copied from a post by Bob Jacobson This looks like a good moment to describe the thinking behind JMRI’s releases more generally. Twice a year, we create something called a “production” release. These have names like 4.16, 4.18, etc. These are the ones that we encourage people to use, particularly new users, because they’re a good balance of new features and annoying bugs (new and unfixed) Any development process can create bugs; sometime even properly-working new features are considered bugs by some users! So how do we get from “new code” to “production release”? *) About once a month we create a “test” release. These have names like 4.17.1, 4.17.2, etc leading up to 4.18; after that, a new series starts with 4.19.1, 4.19.2, leading to the next production release. These have new features, like “rotation of Layout Editor”. We encourage as many people as possible to download these and _test_ them, so that new problems can be found ASAP. The test release process doesn’t work unless people do that. Generally, all the small numbered test releases are made with all the contributed changes up to that point; they’re meant to be inclusive. Toward the end of the sequence, though, the risk-reward ratio changes: We don’t want to introduce a new bug in the last test release before a production release. Partly that’s because the test process isn’t perfect; partly that’s because such big changes can often wait a little bit anyway. People working on new features and fixes really do try to not break things. We’ve got lots of automated and manual testing in place. But JMRI is large, complicated, and has lots of interacting features: We need users to check things to make sure that JMRI still works for _them_. So it’s very helpful for people to install and check a test release or two between production releases. At a minimum, we request that people download and use a new production release once a year or so: The further behind a layout is, the bigger the step forward when it has to be updated, and the more likely that unexpected issues will arise. If that happens at the same time as a new computer, or a change to the layout, or multiple issues are present, then it can be really complicated and time-consuming to resolve. *) Between test releases, during that month of accumulation, there are “development” release available. These are called names like 4.17.1-ish, 4.17.2-ish, and they’re built several times a day if changes have been made. They are truly the latest and greatest. A few hours after a change is made, it can be gotten from one of those (the change mentioned here has already been built into these: http://builds.jmri.org/jenkins/job/TestReleases/job/development/) People can download and install these to check new features of interest to them. If problems are found and reported, the whole process moves along even better. Bob -- Peter Ulvestad JMRI Users Group Moderator - http://www.jmri.org ( http://www.jmri.org ) Tam Valley Group Moderator - https://tamvalleydepot.com/ ( http://tamvalleydepot.com/ ) Sprog-DCC Group Moderator - http://www.sprog-dcc.co.uk/ ( http://www.sprog-dcc.co.uk/ ) Edmonton Model Railroad Association - http://www.emra.club/

====================== HOW to ask your question ====================== One of the most common questions about JMRI is "How do I get it to work?". This isn't really a problem with JMRI itself in most cases, but there are HUGE numbers of possible configurations for DCC systems, and Windows, Linux, and Mac computers out there. Just asking "How do I get it to work" is NOT going to get you any useful help. When asking ANY question, you should >>>utilize a meaningful subject line<<< that indicates the problem and include the following information in the body of the message: + If JMRI has started copy and paste the System Console into the body. (its under help on the start screen) + Has JMRI worked before on this computer? + JMRI version + Previous version if you just upgraded + Java version + Previous version if you just upgraded + Computer make and model + if you have just upgraded, from which version + Any other DCC devices in use + Specific details of your difficulty including error messages if any, or what you would like to do with JMRI. Decoder Programming, Signals, Automation, etc. Depending on the nature of the problem, you may need to supply even more information, but this is the absolute required for anyone to give you accurate answers. Signing you post helps keep the group friendly and personable! Your moderators and trouble shooters.

Please use "meaningful subject lines" when starting topics. We are getting lots of subject lines that don't give much if any idea of what the topic is about. By providing a meaningful subject line you may get the attention of someone that can provide you assistance with your issue. It also give others the chance to skip the topic if it is not of interest to them. -- Peter Ulvestad JMRI Users Group Moderator - https://www.jmri.org ( http://www.jmri.org ) Tam Valley Group Moderator - https://tamvalleydepot.com/ ( http://tamvalleydepot.com/ ) Sprog-DCC Group Moderator - http://www.sprog-dcc.co.uk/ ( http://www.sprog-dcc.co.uk/ ) Edmonton Model Railroad Association - http://www.emra.club/

We would like to point out that this list is for discussions related to JMRI, and is intended to be a place that people, particularly beginners, can turn to for help with their JMRI problems from more experienced JMRI users. General DCC and model railroading topics should be taken to a more appropriate forum and NOT be posted here. SPAM of any kind, politics, legal issues, and other off-topic matters should NOT be posted to the list and will be subject to deletion by the moderators, as will any responses to such off-topic matters. New members still on moderated status will find that off-topic posts will not be approved for posting, and old members making such posts may find themselves back on moderated status. BUY / SELL and ADVERTISING is NOT PERMITTED Let's keep things simple for all of us, and keep the discussion here on-topic. Your moderators

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Ok I got that. I changed the subject line for this email to Throttle Window. I figured out that if you right click on a function Button in the Function window the Properties Window is opened. Remove the contents of the Text option and uncheck the Visible box. Click Apply and Save. The function button no longer appears. Also select the Edit button on the Tool bar at the top of the throttle window. Select Throttle Preferences and then check the box for Hide undefined roster function buttons. At the bottom of the window click Apply and Save. Now the problem I have is getting the Function Window and Address window to keep the size of the window frame I set. Tried several options under File but never got the correct setting. I close the throttle and reopen and the Function window and Address window are way to wide and not what had I just set. I know this is not a big issue, but I like thing to look a certain way. So any help will be appreciated Just a personal note: I had a stroke a few years ago and am now a one finger typer. So if something does not make sense please ask me to clarify. Thanks Steve ------ Original Message ------ From "Mick Moignard via groups.io" <mick@...> To jmriusers@groups.io Date 7/21/2024 6:11:38 AM Subject Re: [jmriusers] CV list To disable a function on a TSU-2 in JMRI, just select the function key number, and scroll down the list of functions listed in the dropdown to the bottom, where you will find Disabled. Mick ________________________________ Mick Moignard Specialising in DCC Sound m: +44 7774 652504 The week may start M,T but it always ends WTF.

I’m looking for a way to have an external peripheral active when the Pi5 is on. This way when the Pi power light is green, external circuitry would also power on. As a work around, I am using a USB port power as that sampling indicator. Does anyone have a better idea for an activity monitoring point? John Bauchiero D&H Model Railroad NCE PH-Pro & PowerCab Pi4B JMRI current test version

Using DecoderPro to program a loco with Soundtraxx TSU-2200. On the Basic tab have clicked on Long (two bytes) Address, have set the long address, have gone thru and set sounds, lights, etc. Have Written All to the decoder. Have checked the CV's, CV 17&18 correctly show entries for the long address, all other CVs values look to be OK. However when I put the loco on the ops track (using a DCS 51 for control, nothing fancy), and enter the long address I get no response from the loco. When I enter the short address (03) the motor works fine, but nothing else, i.e. no sound, lights, etc. What am I doing wrong and how can I fix it?

I am using Mac 12.7.5 with DP 5.8 and SPROG II v.4, I have received the following error before DP will start."JMRI is defaulting to internal systems for all purposes. Usually because of a misconfiguration. Unable to run startup. Check Logs for more info. The serial port option are Bluetooth and cu: and tty: usbmodem 14101. I have download and moved to the JMRI app folder: FTDIUSBSerialDextInstaller_1_5_0.dmg SiLabsUSBDriverDisk.dmg macOS_VCP_Driver_Release_Notes.txt D2XX1.4.30.dmg I cannot find a Log file. I am at my wits end. I have tried to get DP with a Windows Samsumg laptop and am now trying to use my Mac. Please hellp. Scott Groff

I recently updated from JMRI 4.26 to 5.8. A script I have for my Raildriver console that was working in Ubuntu 22.04 LTS and JMRI 4.26 does not open a throttle window in 5.8. I read in the 5.0 release notes that some commands were removed that had been deprecated (love that term) but I am not a programming wiz and it is not clear to me what exactly has changed. I do not see any error messages in the console but I put some print statements in to see that the script is being executed and gets to the throttle section and appears to hang. I put a copy of the script (RailDriver_AH.py) in the files to be worked on in the 'Allen House' folder. Anyone that could give me help here is appreciated. Regards, Allen

Im getting started with custom loads and I can't seem to get the cars to route loads into staging to be returned as empties. I have two hidden parallel staging tracks-- basically one eastbound and one westbound. My railroad is set in central Pennsylvania, so I want to send trains from the yard as a westbound freight to Chicago (thus into staging). That train will later return as a westbound out of Philadelphia. My first custom loads are Coal, going into the Yard. I want the yard to pick up those Coal loads and take them to Staging, where they will become MT (empties) to return to the yard. I have several other destinations around the layout, some of which will accept Coal loads (occasionally), but I thought I should start small and only build the Coal Train, and the Chicago Freight (which goes to staging). I've tried several things, but I haven't been able to get it to route the Coal loads into staging, What am I not understanding here? I have loaded the build report and a backup of the current OpsPro setting to a new folder in Problems being worked on (https://groups.io/g/jmriusers/files/ProblemsBeingWorkedOn/Scott%20Walton) Scott Walton

I've been working on the layout for a while and am finally getting back into Dispatcher AutoTrains. There have been some excellent additions! Thanks Steve_G! and anyone else who helped! I particularly like the "No Signals" feature as that gets me running on my new layout portions much faster! But here's an issue: I'm running with all resistor wheels, no signals, allocate to safe sections, all sections= 1 block, and I have encountered an issue. When I have a safe section which is shorter than the train length, my train is set to speed 1% (not 0%) as soon as it enters that short, safe section, even though the next section is allocated and empty. This happens with 1 train or with 2 trains running (that's as far as I've gotten). It is consistent. Note that a train that is shorter than the safe section drives smoothly through as long as the next section is clear. Workarounds: 1) in the AutoTrains window, Stop and then Restart the train. The train then ramps back up to normal speed and continues the transit. 2) wait for the train to (slowly) reach the next section, (or push it along) and it then returns to normal. Questions: 1) Is it allowed to have a Safe Section shorter than my longest train? 2) Is there a way to set a "minimum" speed for a train? I'd set it to the slowest speed at which the train still moves, i.e. 5% instead of 1%. 3) Why does Dispatcher try to stop (or nearly stop) my train in that section since the next section is allocated and clear? I've studied the trace and debug logs for this situation and have been unable to find where this 1% is being set. Any suggestions appreciated. --SteveT

With a lot of help, I have gotten my system back up and running and was going to update my roster. I have an MTH O scale two rail SD 40–2 that of course cannot be identified by decoder Pro. If I go to manually select, I get three choices MTH HO PS3, HO expanded PS3, HO full PS3 definition. Which one should I choose? Thanks, Bruce in Mount Airy, Maryland.

We've published a new Beta that we expect will become the next production version. Please give it a thorough test and advise any issues ASAP. Changes in v2.37.187 include: >Support for 32 Function Roster Entries, >New WiThrottle "CV Programming on Main" page. (note: not supported on all Command Stations), >New preference to allow for double back button presses to exit the app, >Option to have the Throttle WebView on the top of the page, >Discovery of JMRI DCCppOverTCP Server., >Include any server with port 2560 as a DCC-EX server when connection preference set to 'Auto', >Change the owner filter pref default to false, >UI improvements for the DCC-EX and Function Defaults pages, >Added intro/setup wizard page for DCC-EX, >Action Bar UI improvements, >Change all toolbar/Action Bar icons to vectors for better scaling and reduce maintenance effort, >Reworking of the 'Original' theme. Buttons changed to vectors, >Removal of duplicate icons, >Bug fixes for the 'keyboard' gamepad type, >Bug fix for the close button in function_defaults, >Bug fix for Consist Light Editing, >Bug fix for DCC-EX default latching for non-roster locos, >Bug fix for initial Auto-Web preference change, >Bug fix for fastclock, >lint removal, >New Button to sort Turnouts/Points by Name or ID, >New Button to sort Routes by Name or ID, >Additional French Translations by Alain Carasso, >New button to download the roster list to the Recents list, >Selecting a loco from Recent Locos will attempt to restore the function button labels, >Move targetSDK from 33 to 34 per Google requirement by 2024-8-30, >Automatically reduce the font size of buttons if the first word is long or the total text length is long,

Are instructions available for setting up and running TrainCrew locally on JMRI? I've run the command in the Debug menu under 5.8, but don't see it available on any web server or other panel in the application. James McNab thehillsline.com

I am trying to determine if the Routes defined in the Profile I inherited are ever invoked, or are they unused (dead) code? If I look at the Edit Route screen, I have nothing listed in any of the 3 optional areas in the bottom part of the screen. ("Sensors that trigger this Route", or the Turnout that triggers or locks this route) I have confirmed this by displaying each route and finding nothing and also going into the HTML and finding nothing for "<routeSensor systemName", "ControlTurnout" and "controlLockTurnout". If I do not have any of these three option items added, is there any way for the route to be invoked other than selecting 'set' on the Routes screen. for the specific route on that row (Set option before Comment, Delete or Edit I would like to delete the routes if there is no way they can be triggered other than the Set option. I have an HTML file with 77000 lines and would like to clean it up where possible to make problem solving easier. I am having issues where some of my turnouts do not initialize properly and want to get rid of the Routes to eliminate them as a possible part of the problem. Thanks for your help and assistance

Why is JMRI not able to make a connection with the com ports? I did go into device manager and verify that the computer was happy by plugging and unplugging the USB connection one at a time. When this issue starts usually it is just COM 3. I do a reboot of JMRI and then COM 4 starts acting up. Sometimes I reboot the computer and that fixes it Sometimes I have to reboot the computer numerous times. After a while it starts behaving again and we are fine until the next. Who knowns when that will be. So far it has happened twice in a couple of months. This log is just one startup attempt if you need everything in the log that was done yesterday I have it also. Windows 10 Pro, JMRI 5.4, Digitraxx connected with a Locobuffer - USB, CMRI connected with a serial USB 2024-07-18 13:10:05,518 util.Log4JUtil INFO - ****** JMRI log ******* [main] 2024-07-18 13:10:05,522 util.Log4JUtil INFO - This log is appended to file: C:\Users\AVMRC\JMRI\log\messages.log [main] 2024-07-18 13:10:05,523 util.Log4JUtil INFO - This log is stored in file: C:\Users\AVMRC\JMRI\log\session.log [main] 2024-07-18 13:10:05,552 apps.Apps INFO - PanelPro version 5.4+R9005ecb4ac starts under Java 11.0.21 on Windows 10 amd64 v10.0 at Thu Jul 18 13:10:05 EDT 2024 [main] 2024-07-18 13:10:07,717 apps.Apps INFO - Starting with profile AVMRC.3f432da5 [main] 2024-07-18 13:10:07,938 node.NodeIdentity INFO - Using 698b407a-c56f-422b-9057-53c073f922b4 as the JMRI storage identity for profile id 3f432da5 [AWT-EventQueue-0] 2024-07-18 13:10:08,034 xml.AbstractSerialConnectionConfigXml INFO - Starting to connect for "LocoNet" [main] 2024-07-18 13:10:08,260 locobuffer.LocoBufferAdapter ERROR - Serial port COM3 not found [main] 2024-07-18 13:10:08,262 jmrix.ConnectionConfigManager ERROR - Unable to create jmri.jmrix.loconet.locobufferusb.configurexml.ConnectionConfigXml for [Element: <connection/>], load returned false [main] 2024-07-18 13:10:08,270 xml.AbstractSerialConnectionConfigXml INFO - Starting to connect for "C/MRI" [main] 2024-07-18 13:10:08,276 serialdriver.SerialDriverAdapter ERROR - Serial port COM4 not found [main] 2024-07-18 13:10:08,276 jmrix.ConnectionConfigManager ERROR - Unable to create jmri.jmrix.cmri.serial.serialdriver.configurexml.ConnectionConfigXml for [Element: <connection/>], load returned false [main] 2024-07-18 13:10:08,276 plementation.JmriConfigurationManager ERROR - Exception initializing jmri.jmrix.ConnectionConfigManager: Unable to create several of your connections. [main] 2024-07-18 13:10:08,570 roster.Roster INFO - Reading roster file with rootFromName(C:\Users\AVMRC\JMRI\AVMRC\roster.xml) [main] 2024-07-18 13:10:08,872 plementation.JmriConfigurationManager ERROR - Exception initializing jmri.util.startup.StartupActionsManager: jmri.util.prefs.InitializationException: Unable to run startup actions due to earlier failures. [main] 2024-07-18 13:11:30,200 util.FileUtilSupport INFO - File path program: is C:\Program Files (x86)\JMRI\ [main] 2024-07-18 13:11:30,201 util.FileUtilSupport INFO - File path preference: is C:\Users\AVMRC\JMRI\AVMRC\ [main] 2024-07-18 13:11:30,201 util.FileUtilSupport INFO - File path profile: is C:\Users\AVMRC\JMRI\AVMRC\ [main] 2024-07-18 13:11:30,201 util.FileUtilSupport INFO - File path settings: is C:\Users\AVMRC\JMRI\ [main] 2024-07-18 13:11:30,201 util.FileUtilSupport INFO - File path home: is C:\Users\AVMRC\ [main] 2024-07-18 13:11:30,201 util.FileUtilSupport INFO - File path scripts: is C:\Users\AVMRC\JMRI\AVMRC\ [main] 2024-07-18 13:11:30,807 managers.DefaultShutDownManager INFO - Normal termination complete [Thread-2] Thanks in Advance Chuck Batherson

On the prototype here maximum speed is determined by track speed limit and train (type) speed limit. Signals convey occupancy status and where applicable routes. This means when a signal is at proceed the maximum speed is the lesser of the train type or track speed. Therefore, a passenger train with a 160kph limit would not always travel at that speed even if the signals where at proceed. However, with a warrant automated train (AFAIK) when a signal is at proceed, the train maximum speed is applied and track speed limits are ignored. I'm sure there might be a reason but IMO it doesn't make sense for a train to ignore any track speed limits. -- H.O. Australia (Layout in Progress) Digikeijs DR5000 LocoNet JMRI v5.8 DecoderPro/Warrants/CPE/SML/LogixNG Windows 10